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1868 - 2002
Hugh MacKenzie, known to many High Scholars as the prime mover in Old Crocks
Rugby in the FP Rugby Club is extremely keen to ensure that the records and
legacy of the Club is not lost, given that it was merged with Corstorphine
Rugby Club in 2002 and is now known as RHC (Royal High Corstorphine).
Hugh hopes that the material will in due course become a book, and be
treasured by generations of rugby players who will leave it in a prominent
position on their coffee tables.
In
the meantime however, the Royal High School Club have agreed to host an
extract from the potential publication on their website, and given that many
rugby photographs already feature here, we trust this will be seen as a
welcome addition to the chronicles of the School. The Web
Administrator has been entrusted by Hugh to compile the record.
The History is divided into a number of sections, and includes records,
anecdotes, individual and group photographs. It has
been decided to limit the annual records in this website, which consist of a
team photograph and tabular information, to around a dozen specific and
memorable years. It is also intended to produce a CD in due
course which will contain records of all one hundred and thirty four years.
If
You feel that you have spotted any errors, omissions, or can
add anything to this record, please contact the
website
administrator.
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The following topics are effectively the contents list of
the proposed paper publication. The first list is
available on this page, while the other two are available on separate
pages. Click a topic to view it, and click
back to top (which can be found at
the end of each topic) to return to the index of topics.
Where a hyperlink appears in
the text and you elect to follow it, return via the back button in your
browser.
Introduction and
Dedication
A Brief History of
the Club
International Players
Mark Morrison
Pringle Fisher
Grounds
The Centenary
Special Games
Newspaper Cuttings
Memorabilia
Bibliography
The
Club Records pages contain the
following topics
Barbarians
Co-optomists
International trialists
Inter-City Players
Representative Players
Leading try and points scorers
Players in the Century Club
Presidents of the SRU
Club Officials and Annual playing record
Honorary Members
Seven’s Winners
Brian Scott’s record
H.D.M.’s record
The Annual Records
pages records the individual records for a number of special years, from
the late 1880's to the late 1990's. Although most
records exist for these 134 years, a dozen have been selected as
representing the halcyon days of the Club. It is
hoped that a CD will be produced which comprises all years in addition
to the other material shown here.
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THE PUBLICATION IS
DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE PLAYERS WHO HAVE PULLED ON THE BLACK AND WHITE JERSEY
AND ROLLED IN THE MUD FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL OVER THE LAST HUNDRED
AND THIRTY FOUR SEASONS IT ALSO FORMS A SPECIAL
DEDICATION TO THOSE PLAYERS AND MEMBERS WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR
COUNTRY IN THE TWO WORLD WARS.
This publication is primarily the work of the late Sandy
Thorburn, a former High School teacher, cricketer and Rugby Club Historian.
In 1950 Sandy started to collect information in order to establish and
develop a statistical record of all Royal High Rugby matches including the
results, players and scorers from day one in 1868.during his involvement
with the Club Sandy meticulously kept a record of all the matches as they
were played week by week until 1972. This momentous undertaking resulted in
him being recognized as the leading Scottish Rugby Historian of this time, a
status also recognized by another famous Scottish rugby personality and
fellow native of Hawick Bill Maclaren. In 1968 Sandy’s work was taken
over by Jock Dewar, at that time a Royal High School teacher, who moved the
records forward into the electronic age but basically following the statistical
pattern created and established by Sandy. In 1988 the post of club
Historian was handed on to Hugh MacKenzie who carried on Jock’s electronic
system until the club amalgamated with Corstorphine Rugby Club in 2003.
This amalgamation seemed like the appropriate time to close the book on the former
club’s historical records. This meant that the Royal High
records may be unique in that the club could well be the only club in
Scotland to have a statistical record of all the matches played, results,
points scored and the names of players. This publication was produced to
make sure that all Sandy’s endeavours were not lost and would be maintained
in honour of the many that wore the Black and White of this famous club,
which was one of the eight original members of the Scottish Football Union.
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The Royal High Rugby Club's origins are to be found in the Royal High
School, which means they are covered in the mists of time. There
is some evidence, supplied by a famous Academical sportsman, that there was
a 'carrying' game played in the School in about 1810. This
provides a link with Sir Walter Scott, who was a pupil at that time.
The original rules of Rugby Football were brought to the school in 1856 by
an English Public schoolboy.
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This letter (a facsimile of the
original), was written by H.J.Stevenson and sent to the Scotsman
newspaper in 1937. In it, he claims that he
spoke in 1923 to a to Rugby School representatives of the Centenary of
the 'Carrying Game', and they said that the game had been played at a
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The first game played by the FP Club was in 1867 against the Academicals (Accies),
but the Club was not formed until the next year when it played its games at
Holyrood. At that time the Club was open, but
unfortunately the Rector of the School in 1870 insisted that only FP's would
be allowed to play.
In
the early years, the Club produced many internationalists, including the
honour of having Angus Buchanan in the first international against the Auld
Enemy (27th March 1871 at Raeburn Place). He scored the first
ever international try in the victory over England.
When the Club moved to Grange Loan it entered one of its purple patches
(1881 to 1884), under the Captaincy of Nat Watt. The team was
known as Nat's Lambs, a nickname which did not reflect their style of play
as in 1883-84 they lost
only one game and were recognised as the Scottish Champions.
The turn of the Century was dominated by the career of
Mark Morrison who played for Scotland 23 times,
captaining them to a triple crown in 1901 and then captaining the Lions on
their tour of South Africa. This outstanding sporting
record led to Mark being posthumously inducted into the SRU Hall of Fame,
and also in 2002 into the Scottish Sporting Hall of fame.
In
common with other Clubs, there was no play during the First World War.
Thanks to the efforts of J. Hume and 'Podger' Laing who played for Scotland
before and after the War, the Club was revived with games against
Stewartonians and Heriotonians. The War Memorial was the
purchase of Jock's Lodge for £1000, so the Club moved on to its eighth
ground.
The second purple patch was in the 1930's under the Captaincy of W.D. Emslie,
an international stand off, when crowds of 2000 were experienced.
A three season spell of fast open rugby culminated in
1933-34 when the team
shared the unofficial championship with Hillhead. In 1935
Peter Tait had mixed emotions when he received two postcards in one week,
one selecting him for the Club seconds and the other for Scotland versus
England !
Following instructions from the SRU, no official games were played during
the Second World War. The Club still managed to play over
100, using players on home leave supplemented by School boys.
Normal play was resumed in 1946-47 before the Club had another few
successful seasons, particularly in
1951-52 under the
Captaincy of Alec Harper when they were runners-up in the unofficial
championship. Two now famous characters, Tom McGlashan and Jimmy
Dignall played often and well during this period, Jim eventually passing P.W.
Tait's record number of games.
In
1972, after an expensive visit to the courts, the Club returned to its
original open status. Life continued as normal with the curate's
egg, the occasional good seasons including Pringle Fisher in
1962-63, Eric Ireland
in 1963-64 and Gerry
McCosh in
1976-77.
Two City Council decisions adversely affected the Club.
Firstly the decision to build the new school not beside Jock's Lodge but at
Barnton, and subsequently the withdrawal of the City's annual grant to
Jock's Lodge. These two decisions ultimately resulted in
the sale of Jock's Lodge, and the move to Barnton where the money was used
to build a pavilion, all weather playing surface and a bowling rink.
When the new Scottish League structure was implemented in 1975, the Club was
placed in the First Division, but after a protest from Boroughmuir were
relegated without playing a game. Life in the leagues was
basically a downward spiral with few exceptions. Promotions
included Robin Ford's 1978-79 team to the Second Division, Roy Ross's
1981-82 team to
the First Division, and Alan Wardrop's 1989-90 to the Second Division after
a sharp decline in the 1980's. The decline was due
in no small part to the erosion of talented School pupils to senior clubs to
enhance their playing careers. Several were successful in
gaining international honours.
On
the 9th March 2002 B.J. Scott played his 400th first team game, still a
little short of Hugh MacKenzie's estimated 750 games in all teams and garbs
for the black and whites.
2003-04 found the team in the third Division of the National Leagues, and
struggling to survive. An approach from Corstorphine was
welcomed as many Club members concurred that there were too many clubs
chasing a shrinking pool of players. A strong club in the west
of the City seemed to be a logical solution. As a result, the
highly mobile Royal High School FP Rugby Football Club, founded in 1867, and
having played at nine grounds in its 134 years,
returned to Union Park in Corstorphine as
RHC (Royal High Corstorphine), the
ground where in 1912 they had installed a bath in the pavilion for the
princely sum of £5.10s.
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This most important category is prefaced by an introduction, and includes a
full list and
photographs of all
international players.
The club has produced 26 international
players who have been capped on 210 occasions by Scotland. Those players capped
in the 19th century and in the pre 1914 – 1918 period had only a few
opportunities to play for their country in comparison with opportunities
open to players in the recent past. .This difference in the number of
matches makes Mark Morrison's 23 caps all the more amazing.
A large percentage of the total High
School caps were won by three players; Mark Morrison with 23, J. Pringle
Fisher with 20 and Ivan Tukalo with 37. It must be remembered
that J. Hume and A. D. Laing’s total of 7 each were won before and after the
1914-1918 War.
The Club has produced 4 Scottish captains.
W.R.Gibson on one occasion, Mark C. Morrison 15 times, J Hume 3 times
and J. Pringle Fisher with 9. As always Mark Morrison was
the most successful. He was the first Scottish captain to win three matches
against England and remains the only one to win three Calcutta Cups.
His record of nine victories, two Triple Crowns and three championships over
five seasons remains a record that none of his successors have come close to
matching. Pringle Fisher did however captain Scotland on nine
occasions and also played in their sole
'success' against the All Blacks - the 0-0 draw in 1964.
Six of his caps were from he Club, while the balance were from London
Scottish.
There is also a group of players, listed
,who played for a Scottish XV in games that the S.R.U. did not award caps.
W. A. Gunn, J. Hume, South Africa 1912
J. Hume France 1912, 1920, 1921
W. A. Ferguson Waratahs 1927
A.V. Orr Argentine 1969
B. Laidlaw Argentine 1969
The Australian R.U. retrospectively
declared the Waratahs Tour an Australian Tour and awarded caps to all who
played against the Home Counties. Perhaps the S.R.U. could
make a similar magnanimous gesture!
It is also possible to argue that the
group of High Scholars who were international reserves would have become
capped players under the current laws which allows substitutes. That would
have meant in recent times G. Gramhamslaw and J. Blake may have become
capped players.
There are two interesting stories
concerning High School internationalists which feature in Sandy Thorburn's
History. In the 1880-81 season the by-passing of A.G
(Gordon)
Petrie as captain of the Scottish XV led to a spell of furious disagreement
between the Clubs and the Union, followed by an uneasy truce. Until finally
at the A.G. M. there was a complete sweep of Union Office-Bearers and Petrie
found himself elected President. Petrie played
on eight consecutive occasions against England.
Angus Buchanan was a member of the first
Scottish XV, and is credited with scoring the first try in an international
game - against England at Raeburn Place on the 27th March 1871.
J.P.Veitch was selected to play for
Scotland against Ireland in the 1886 season but decided to give up his cap
so he could tour with the club and play against Halifax on the 20th February
1886. He was selected for the next game against England!
Other players to be capped only by clubs other than RHSFP RFC
included Colin Telfer (Hawick) and Gordon Hunter (Selkirk).
The latest to join this category is Ben Cairns (leaving year 2003) whose
debut was in Scotland's victory over Argentina in Buenos Aires on 14th June
2008.
With the exception of A Buchanan, these players were all
enrolled at the Royal High School and appeared in the FP XV.
On several occasions, all in the 19th Century, there were three High School
FP players in the same international side. Click
Photographs to see
images of the Internationalists.
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Photographs are available for all 34 players excepting that
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Full name - Mark Coxon
Morrison
Born 2nd April
1877 in Dalmeny Died 17th May 1945 in Longniddry
Educated at
the Royal High School, Profession - Farmer, in East Lothian
Represented:
Scotland (23
caps, Captain 15 times)
British Isles
(South Africa 1903, Captain)
Inter-City
(Glasgow) 8 appearances
Representative
games - 8 appearances
International appearances (* as Captain)
1896 v Wales,
Ireland, England
1897 v
Ireland, England
1898 v
Ireland, England
1899 v
Ireland, Wales*, England*
1900 v Wales*,
England*
1901 v Wales*,
Ireland*, England*
1902 v Wales*,
Ireland*, England*
1903 v Wales*,
Ireland*
1904 v Wales*,
Ireland*, England*
President of
Scottish Rugby Union, 1934-35
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Pringle Fisher
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Full name - James Pringle
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Born 17th
March 1939 in Edinburgh
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Married to
Liz, three children
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Educated at
the Royal High School 1953-58
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Profession -
Dentist in London, Singapore, Germany while in RADC (Royal Army Dental
Corps), then Wokingham and Edinburgh in private practice
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Played
Basketball for Scotland and GB in the 1960 Rome Olympics
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BDS (Bachelor
of Dental Surgery) (Edinburgh) 1964
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Scotland 25
caps, (Captain 9 times)
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Barbarians
East Midlands 25/3/1965, Llanelli 2/11/1965, Australians 28/1/1967,
Wasps 19/4/1967
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Schools
Inter-City 1956-57
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Captain of
Army and Combined Services
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Surrey County
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Inter-City
(Edinburgh v Glasgow) 8 appearances
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Representative
games - 8 appearances, including New Zealand, South Africa, Canada,
English Regions and Counties, Paris
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Captain of
winning Seven at Melrose (1961)
and Hawick (1962)
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1963 v England
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1964 v
England, Ireland, Wales, France, New Zealand
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1965 v
England, Ireland, Wales, France, South Africa
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1966 v
England, Ireland, Wales, France, Australia*
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Ireland*, Wales*, France*, New Zealand*
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The club has
played on many grounds during it’s history and has often been described as a
very mobile club, a description that has been made more often about its
playing fields than the teams that played on them.
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1870-1873 Holyrood
1873-1874
Raimes Park Bonnington
1874-1877
Warrender Park
1877-
1878 No ground
1878-1879
Warrender Park
1879-1880
Old Merchiston Castle Ground
1880-1887
Old Carlton Ground at Grange Loan
1887-1897
Newington
1897-1920
Union Field Corstorphine
1920-1987 Jock’s Lodge
1987
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1999-
2002 Royal High School Campus Barnton |
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The Club’s
first ground was at Holyrood which was a small area of the Royal Park and
was shared by the Royal High F.P. cricket club, and laterally by the
Athletic Club. This relationship has lasted through the many moves but
the different uses of the grounds lead to many an argument between the
sections, mainly centring on how to protect the wicket. Although
the rugby club moved many times trying to find a more suitable ground , the
club retained the use of Holyrood for the Regent road school and as a
training area until 1971 when the ground was handed back to the Royal
Estates. It has in the last few years been absorbed into the ground used
for the Scottish Parliament, and the site of the debating chamber is very
close to the’ footprint’ of the pavilion and changing rooms. Has its use
been improved one asks?
The search for
a suitable ground continued from 1873 until 1897. The six moves were
motivated by the demands of finding a ground that had space for a large size
pitch, a pavilion and accessibility. The last factor was helped by the
suburban railway which made the grounds that were used on the north side of
the town more accessible for matches and training which was not a great
feature of Victorian rugby. Although the club only played
at Newington for a short time, it was agreed at the S.R.U.’s 1895-1896 A.G.M.
that the club’s ground at Newington would be used for the Trial and
District matches.
The Newington
ground was considered too small and another search for a suitable ground was
started in 1896. At this time an opportunity to lease the ground at
Corstorphine, which had been leased by the University, who were moving to
their new ground at Craiglockhart. A large Bazaar, supported by
the P.P .s and F.P .s, was held to raise the finance to lease the ground at
Corstorphine. The S.R.U. even considered buying the land and
building a new International stadium, but before they made up their mind the
ground was taken over by the City. Royal High might have played
at the international ground !
It was decided
on 12th June 1919 that a purchase of a playing would be part of a
memorial for the F.P.s who gave their lives in the 1914-1918 war.
Dr. James Watt purchased the ground and access at Jock’s Lodge and sold it
on to the School and F.P.s at a sum less than the original purchase
price. Jock’s Lodge was to become the home of the club for the next 70
years. A pavilion was built in 1925 and in 1932 a stand was
added. Jock’s Lodge featured in the sporting life of
thousands of High School P.P.s and F.P.s until the school moved to Barnton
1968. The fact that there were playing fields at Barnton meant
that the City’s support for Jock’s Lodge was withdrawn.
This event plus the stopping of an athletic fee meant that the Club could no
longer support the finances needed to run Jock’s Lodge. As
the club’s debts increased it was reluctantly agreed to sell Jock’s Lodge
and move to the School’s grounds at Barnton. The money from the
sale was used to build at Barnton a pavilion, a bowling rink and an
all-weather hockey pitch in the hope of developing a community sports
complex.
The rugby club
moved yet again with a brief stay at the Dunfermline College Campus while
the pavilion was being built at Barton. The Barnton
campus, which was opened in 1999 with a game against the Cooptimists, was
to be the last Royal High Club ground.
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The centenary of the Club was celebrated in the 1968-1969
season. Three major events were held to commemorate the centenary of the
founding of the club. A
match, at Jock’s Lodge, against an International XV captained by Pringle
Fisher, at that time the club’s most capped player. This
match was preceded by a XX a side match between a High School Crocks XX and
an Invitation Edinburgh XX featuring many players who had played against the
club. The game was played to the original laws of rugby which was scripted
and rehearsed by Sandy Thorburn and Hugh MacKenzie. This event took
place at Jock’s Lodge before the main event of the day, the International
game, which featured a school XV captained by John Fraser against a team
composed entirely of current or ex-international players captained by
Pringle Fisher. The third event was a Centenary Dinner, held in the Assembly Rooms,
George Street, on the 14th March 1968. This large
function was attended by many past and present famous Rugby players from
various major Scottish clubs, including representatives from the other
founding members of the S.R.U. The club was also very
fortunate to have guests from other Unions, a group lead by Dannie Craven of
South Africa.
The following images are of the teams, from both games,
action photos and a menu card and photos of the dinner.
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The Centenary dinner programme |
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Photos from the Centenary dinner |
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The international match programme |
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The teams pose before the International
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The XX side teams take the field from the comfort of the grandstand |
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The XX side teams pose before the match in the Junior School quadrangle
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Hugh MacKenzie has compiled a list of 'Special Games'
from his memory. Details of the games and more photographs
will be added in due course.
In Hugh's words ..."This section of the history depends on my
memory of events and photographs I have seen over the years".
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A Team photograph and reports on the Club's
tour to Bordeaux, which must have been one of the first club visits to
the south west of France.
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There is a strange report of the 1886 tour
to northern England.
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The game at the opening of the pavilion at
Jock’s Lodge. There is a picture of the opening ceremony before the
game against ?.
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A team photograph at Penarth, which was
the club’s first game in Wales. It took place before Scotland’s first
win at Cardiff since the second world war.
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The photograph of the team that played the
last game at Jock’s Lodge.
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The programme of the last game 13th
September1987
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The photograph of the team that played in
20 aside game at Murrayfield against an Edinburgh Accies 20 to
commemorate one of the club’s earliest fixtures.
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A wartime team captained by Sandy
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A photo of the first visit of an Irish
team
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A photo of joint F.P. and school team
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An action photo of Jimmy Nichol in his
first international
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The photograph of the team that won the
inaugural Golden Oldies tournament at Raeburn Place
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The photograph and programme of the teams
that played in the game at the dedication of the memorial gates.
The following images are from our own
archives, and fulfil a number of the 'Special Games' requirements.
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| 1950's Old
Wesleyan (Irish) tour to Jock's Lodge. Harper, Squires
and MacKenzie prominent |
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1951 FP's
v PP's Rugby. Alec Harper prominent for the FP's with Eric
Ireland on his left representing the school |
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1960's
Golden Oldies winners at Raeburn Place. Messers
Anderson, Ross, Adamson, McConnell, with Mackenzie receiving the
beer |
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1971
Murrayfield Centenary 7's versus Accies. George Neilson
featuring with Penny-Farthing |
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| Opening of
the New Field, Jock's Lodge, 2nd October 1920 versus Stewarts FP.
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Stewarts on 30th September 1950 to celebrate the opening of the
memorial gates |
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1970
Jubilee match versus Stewarts. Ian Robertson captaining,
and a 7'3" Stewarts player in the back row |
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10th
September 1987 saw the last match at Jocks Lodge, as usual against
Stewarts FP. The end of an era after 67 years |
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2nd
September 1990 saw the Cooptimists grace the opening of the new
pavilion at Barnton. The Club was only 3 years without a
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RHSRFC Centenary Publication, 1968. Sandy
Thorburn, Bob Ironside
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History of Scottish Rugby, 1980. Sandy Thorburn
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A Compendium of Scotland's Matches 1994. John MCI
Davidson - based on an original volume by and dedicated to the memory of A.M.C.
(Sandy) Thorburn
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